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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #650 on: January 28, 2013, 01:34:13 PM »
You're right—the former is correct. The subordinate clause what John is doing is an indirect question, and indirect questions do not need question marks. It's very common to see indirect questions with question marks in unedited writing, though.
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #651 on: January 28, 2013, 02:24:13 PM »
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #652 on: January 29, 2013, 07:29:47 AM »
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It's very common to see indirect questions with question marks in unedited writing, though.
It's also very common to hear them inflected as a question in speech.
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #653 on: January 29, 2013, 10:06:55 AM »
I'm not so sure about that. They may have a different intonation from other types of declarative sentences, but I doubt they ever have the exact same intonation as regular questions.
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #654 on: January 31, 2013, 09:53:00 AM »
Turns out grizzly and grisly are not related. What's even weirder is that I thought about asking Jonathon if they were in a dream last night, and I suddenly remembered it today.
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #655 on: January 31, 2013, 10:26:30 AM »
What's funny is that the grizzly bear got its biological name from a misunderstand of the word grizzly. The man who gave it is biological name assumed it was the same as grisly and thus gave it the subspecies name horribilis.

Also, Lego is reading Harry Potter 4, and it bugs me every time Rowling mentions Professor Moody's "grizzled grey hair". Grizzled means "grey". You don't need to say it twice.
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #656 on: January 31, 2013, 10:34:59 AM »
Heh, now that's going to bug me when I read it the next time.
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #657 on: January 31, 2013, 01:47:17 PM »
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #658 on: January 31, 2013, 01:54:44 PM »
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« Reply #659 on: January 31, 2013, 03:46:20 PM »
*claws out eyes*
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #660 on: February 01, 2013, 10:10:45 AM »
Why are "won" and "one" pronounced identically?
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #661 on: February 01, 2013, 11:21:29 AM »
Won is part of a group of words that originally had a u but were respelled with o to increase readability. (Imagine how hard it would be to read wun in modern cursive, let alone Medieval handwriting.)

One is kind of a fluke. It used to be pronounced like own, and it still is pronounced that way in most words formed from it, like alone, only, and atone. But sometime in the 1300s the long o sound split into a diphthong starting with the glide sound w, and it spread and became standard by the 1700s. The OED says the same thing happened with oak and oat, but these remained nonstandard dialectal forms.


Out of curiosity, is there some reason why you keep asking questions here instead of in the Dear Expert thread? I don't really mind—I'll answer questions wherever—but I thought this thread was more for posting humorous stuff.
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #662 on: February 01, 2013, 11:26:38 AM »
I'm apparently incapable of correctly pronouncing "once" and "wants."
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #663 on: February 01, 2013, 11:27:18 AM »
How do you say them?
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #664 on: February 01, 2013, 11:42:51 AM »
I've been told I pronounce both the same way.  Like some amalgamation of the two but closer to the latter.
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #665 on: February 01, 2013, 12:07:33 PM »
I don't really mind—I'll answer questions wherever—but I thought this thread was more for posting humorous stuff.
I will move these sorts of queries to Dear Expert. I have noticed some folks have resumed posting gifs in the image thread.
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #666 on: February 01, 2013, 12:08:18 PM »
I have noticed some folks have resumed posting gifs in the image thread.

Unacceptable! :pirate:
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #667 on: February 08, 2013, 10:19:45 AM »
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #668 on: February 08, 2013, 02:37:15 PM »
:lol:
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #669 on: February 08, 2013, 03:08:59 PM »
I don't get it.
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #670 on: February 08, 2013, 03:48:33 PM »
Vowel harmony means making vowels agree in one way or another, often in the degree of backness but also in other features like height, roundness, or tenseness. The English umlaut plurals, for example (goose/geese, foot/feet, mouse/mice, man/men) show a type of harmony in the fronting of a back or central vowel (/a/, /o/, or /u/) to a front vowel (/ɛ/, /e/, or /i/). Rhotic harmony means that an r-like vowel (like the vowel in bird) causes a not-r-like vowel to become r-like.

Thus the ermahgerd meme could be said to display rhotic vowel harmony.
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #671 on: February 08, 2013, 04:38:22 PM »
Shockingly, I'm not current with the ermahgerd meme. :\
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #672 on: February 08, 2013, 04:46:10 PM »
Google says it's a slurred "Ohmygod".
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #673 on: February 08, 2013, 05:10:00 PM »
Shockingly, I'm not current with the ermahgerd meme. :\

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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #674 on: February 08, 2013, 07:09:52 PM »
Shockingly, I'm not current with the ermahgerd meme. :\

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I am. I wonder if I get any credit for having a hand in generating the "true story" meme.
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