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« Reply #125 on: August 23, 2007, 09:20:02 AM »
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Interesting.

I tend to think that if even one person notices that something can be misinterpreted and there's an easy way to change it, it should be changed.
I agree to an extent. As Porter notes, pretty much anything can be misinterpreted if you put your mind to it. Some things are obviously more problematic than others, though, and if it's no trouble to change it, then it should be changed.  
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« Reply #126 on: August 23, 2007, 12:05:24 PM »
It's amazing how one letter can totally change the visual message a reader receives...

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« Reply #127 on: August 23, 2007, 12:17:41 PM »
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« Reply #128 on: September 04, 2007, 08:12:21 AM »
From the Times-Picayune today:

"In three quarters of work, Manning completed 20 of 25 passes (66.7 percent) for 314 yards and touchdowns of 17, 14, 79, 12, 32 and 11 yards."

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And in my hometown paper this weekend, there was a special section on education.

The section heading read (in giant black type)  "EDCUATION".

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« Reply #129 on: September 04, 2007, 09:06:36 AM »
Somebody failed math in high school.
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« Reply #130 on: September 04, 2007, 10:12:42 AM »
Well, who would have thought there would be a real world application for it?  I mean, if you are A) a journalist and B) assigned to athletics, one would imagine it would be somewhat safe -- except for when it isn't.
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« Reply #131 on: September 04, 2007, 10:52:43 AM »
I might agree with part A) of that statement, but there's no popular American sport that I'm aware of that doesn't heavily rely on math and numbers to track player progression/value.
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« Reply #132 on: September 04, 2007, 11:02:51 AM »
Yes, but the stats are usually compiled by someone else, not the journalists.  I'm guessing.  I'm just poking fun at the whole "when will I use this in real life" whine.
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« Reply #133 on: September 04, 2007, 12:04:06 PM »
They're compiled by someone else, but it's a rare person in sports who doesn't track field goal percentage, PPG, YPC, batting average, ERA, free throw percentage, winning percentage, turnover ration, A:T ratio, etc.

I got the joke, though. ;)
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« Reply #134 on: September 06, 2007, 10:19:42 AM »
Shamelessly stolen from Fark:

Headline: Mind-controlled prosthetic arm plays the piano

Text in the article: A person wearing a Proto 2 could conceivably play the piano.
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« Reply #135 on: September 06, 2007, 10:29:30 AM »
I feel like I'm missing something.
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« Reply #136 on: September 06, 2007, 10:34:43 AM »
It's the difference between "plays the piano" and "could conceivably play the piano".
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« Reply #137 on: September 06, 2007, 10:43:06 AM »
Ah, of course. That old journalistic standby, the wildly exaggerative headline.
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« Reply #138 on: September 08, 2007, 01:47:27 PM »
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This was just posted on Language Log. Sadly, I don't know if even an audio version could've saved this headline.
I used to work in the Linguistics Department of the University of Arizona, so it was kind of weird to suddenly come across names that I know (Heidi Harley and Andrew Carnie).

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« Reply #139 on: September 08, 2007, 02:04:31 PM »
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This was just posted on Language Log. Sadly, I don't know if even an audio version could've saved this headline.
I used to work in the Linguistics Department of the University of Arizona, so it was kind of weird to suddenly come across names that I know (Heidi Harley and Andrew Carnie).

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« Reply #140 on: September 08, 2007, 02:17:41 PM »
I was the main programmer for the Arizona Native American Dictionary Project. I mostly worked on the Tohono O'odham dictionary, but I also helped with the Hiaki dictionary and the XML scheme. Unfortunately, it looks like the project came to a standstill after I left. I worked on it for about two years, so I spent a lot of time in the Linguistics building. I also knew several of the professors from classes that I had taken.

ETA: Heidi Harley worked on the language part of the Hiaki dictionary, if I remember correctly.

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« Reply #141 on: September 18, 2007, 11:11:33 AM »
Okay, Jonathon -- does this make any sense whatsoever to you?
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we do utilize the AP Stylebook for all print and electronic publications, though ‘email’ has become a preferred way of stating electronic mail. Webster’s has it both ways and in this instance, we chose to not use the hyphen.

So she's saying they DO use AP Style always (all print and electronic) however in THIS case, they are using what "Webster's has deemed acceptable" ??

Isn't that like saying "yeah, that's our rules, but we chose to ignore them this time, and it is perfectly okay by another set of rules"???

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« Reply #142 on: September 18, 2007, 11:21:16 AM »
Most places have a favorite style guide (usually Chicago or AP) and then have a small house style guide that overrides certain elements of the chosen style guide. It's really not hypocritical or schizophrenic or anything.

Though the quality of the writing in that quote makes me question their ability to make any stylistic decisions.

And not to nitpick, but dictionaries are not in the business of deeming what's acceptable; they just reflect what people are using. If people frequently spell "e-mail" without a hyphen, they'll include it. It's up to whoever is choosing or writing the style guide to decide which they want to go with.
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« Reply #143 on: September 18, 2007, 11:28:00 AM »
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Though the quality of the writing in that quote makes me question their ability to make any stylistic decisions.

Yes.  And that is from the HEAD of the public relations department.  I'm sure her officer salary reflects her great journalistic skill.  :wacko:  
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« Reply #144 on: September 18, 2007, 11:39:02 AM »
Pffft.  She just said they use . . . er, excuse me, utilize the style guide for all publications, not that they follow it in all instances.  So if someone pulled out the style guide at any point while working on the project it was used for that publication.   :P  

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« Reply #145 on: September 18, 2007, 11:41:04 AM »
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So if someone pulled out the style guide at any point while working on the project it was used for that publication.   :P
Utilized.
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« Reply #146 on: September 18, 2007, 11:47:18 AM »
Oh, I miss binary sentence diagrams.
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« Reply #147 on: September 18, 2007, 11:54:58 AM »
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So if someone pulled out the style guide at any point while working on the project it was used for that publication.   :P
Utilized.
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« Reply #148 on: September 19, 2007, 12:18:18 PM »
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And that is from the HEAD of the public relations department. I'm sure her officer salary reflects her great journalistic skill.

Man, I need to get me one of those jobs.
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« Reply #149 on: September 27, 2007, 05:38:12 AM »
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Crowds Gather for Obscene Newspaper Editorial Hearing

Man, that sounds like a fun hearing to attend. (from Fox News this morning)
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