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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #775 on: November 26, 2019, 09:09:51 AM »
1. Newspaper writing has a weird tradition about putting the day of the week in weird spots. Usually it's right after the subject, so it would be "Gary Herbert Monday half-jokingly converted" or maybe "Gary Herbert half-jokingly Monday converted". So this seems like a slight improvement over those options, but "on Monday Gary Herbert half-jokingly converted" would be best.
2. I don't think "gas stations" is part of the name, so it shouldn't be capped. And I think it's okay to use "its" there because it's referring to the company as a whole and not to each individual gas station. But it is weird to switch from "its" to "they" later on in the sentence. Either you're talking about them collectively or you're not.
3. Technically, "converted" doesn't have an object there. It can be either a transitive or an intransitive verb, so it doesn't always need an object. You can say that x converted y to z or just that x converted y or even just x converted, as in "Steve converted the PDF [object] to EPS [complement]" or "Steve converted the PDF [object]" or "Steve converted to Christianity [complement]."
4. I don't know if it didn't get edited, but it doesn't seem terribly well written.
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #776 on: November 26, 2019, 10:16:44 AM »
Thanks for illuminating. It took me long enough to understand the first sentence of the article that I got irritated and decided to look for things to criticize, heh.
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #777 on: November 26, 2019, 10:47:40 AM »
I think one major problem with newspaper writing is that it tries to cram too much information into one sentence, and then you trip over things or have to read it a couple of times to figure out what's actually new and relevant and what's just background info.

Something like this isn't a huge rewrite, but I think it would help a lot:

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On Monday, after 10 years as Utah’s governor, Gary Herbert half-jokingly became a salesman for Speedway gas stations. Speedway is about to become the first line of gas stations in the state to sell much cleaner “Tier 3” gasoline.

It's still a stupid lede, but at least it's broken up into reasonable chunks. The mention of Marathon Petroleum can be moved a little later in the story.
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #778 on: November 29, 2019, 05:57:54 AM »
The day of the week might be the most syntactically motile word that can be repositioned to maximize headline size. Chrome is offended by reposition.  What say ya'll?
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #779 on: May 18, 2020, 04:01:47 PM »
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A retired federal judge appointed to oppose the Justice Department’s bid to dismiss former national security adviser Michael Flynn’s guilty plea to lying to the FBI requested on Monday a hearing for oral arguments after he briefs the court.

I don't know WaPo's style guide at all, but I sort of think they should have had some commas in there for clarity:

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A retired federal judge, appointed to oppose the Justice Department’s bid to dismiss former national security adviser Michael Flynn’s guilty plea to lying to the FBI, requested on Monday a hearing for oral arguments after he briefs the court.
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #780 on: May 18, 2020, 06:22:47 PM »
Most style guides would call that whole middle section a restrictive modifier and thus not use commas around it. But this is probably one area where overly strict adherence to the rule makes the sentence harder to read.

I think the real problem, yet again, is that journalists try to pack too much information into a single sentence so that they don't have to spend a whole paragraph explaining the backstory before they get to the real news.

Side note: I find the placement of "on Monday" in that sentence really bizarre.
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« Reply #781 on: May 18, 2020, 09:16:06 PM »
I think the real problem, yet again, is that journalists try to pack too much information into a single sentence so that they don't have to spend a whole paragraph explaining the backstory before they get to the real news.
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #782 on: October 15, 2020, 10:53:15 AM »
I found this article amusing, but the title line ticked me off enough that I was halfway through writing an email to CNN, when I went looking for a dictionary link. WTH?!?

When on earth did refusenik gain a meaning essentially the opposite of the real one?? :angry:
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #783 on: October 15, 2020, 12:00:19 PM »
Huh. I'm not really familiar with the word, but I think I've only encountered it in sense 2. The OED dates sense 1 to 1973 and sense 2 to 1981, so it's apparently been around a while.

But yeah, that's really weird that it's gone from "a person who is refused permission to do something" to "a person who refuses to do something". It's basically an autoantonym.
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #784 on: October 15, 2020, 01:12:24 PM »
I'm not really familiar with the word
Which just means you are not Jewish and were not following world news in the early-to-mid-80s. ;)

It is a word I am very familiar with, and which has very strong emotional associations for me.


But yeah, that's really weird that it's gone from "a person who is refused permission to do something" to "a person who refuses to do something". It's basically an autoantonym.
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #785 on: October 15, 2020, 01:46:46 PM »
Which just means you are not Jewish and were not following world news in the early-to-mid-80s. ;)

Yeah, when I saw the first definition, I thought, "Well, I guess it's no surprise that Rivka cares about this use while I didn't even know it was an issue."

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It is a word I am very familiar with, and which has very strong emotional associations for me.

I can definitely see how this usage would be very jarring. Like I said, I'm not sure I've even encountered it that much, let alone used it, but it's something I'll definitely notice in the future.
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« Reply #786 on: October 15, 2020, 01:52:14 PM »
Great.

If only I stood a chance of convincing CNN's title-writers. ;)
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #787 on: October 15, 2020, 05:25:54 PM »
I have to admit that the way CNN used it doesn't bother me that much. I probably wouldn't have given it a second thought if Rivka hadn't brought it up.


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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #788 on: May 19, 2021, 09:03:48 AM »
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #789 on: May 19, 2021, 09:40:11 AM »
And the article actually lives up to the title! That's awesome. And gross.

Also, good to see you around. :)
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #790 on: May 19, 2021, 09:50:40 AM »
I know!  It's full of gorgeous lines like:

“It’s this gender-bending, death-zombie fungus”

“I thought, ‘oh crap: The DEA is going to come in here, tase me, and confiscate my flying saltshakers,’”

“Imagine if, after a lifetime underground, you only had a few glorious weeks to live in the sun, eat and mate,” she said. “And then your butt fell off.”
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #791 on: May 19, 2021, 10:40:49 AM »
That's awesome.

Also, hey, Tante. *waves*
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #792 on: May 19, 2021, 11:23:00 AM »
I know!  It's full of gorgeous lines like:

“It’s this gender-bending, death-zombie fungus”

“I thought, ‘oh crap: The DEA is going to come in here, tase me, and confiscate my flying saltshakers,’”

“Imagine if, after a lifetime underground, you only had a few glorious weeks to live in the sun, eat and mate,” she said. “And then your butt fell off.”

 :D :D :D
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« Reply #793 on: May 19, 2021, 12:52:40 PM »
I know!  It's full of gorgeous lines like:

“It’s this gender-bending, death-zombie fungus”

“I thought, ‘oh crap: The DEA is going to come in here, tase me, and confiscate my flying saltshakers,’”

“Imagine if, after a lifetime underground, you only had a few glorious weeks to live in the sun, eat and mate,” she said. “And then your butt fell off.”
Yes!

And those aren't even all the good lines!
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« Reply #794 on: May 20, 2021, 05:14:15 PM »
That's awesome.

Also, hey, Tante. *waves*
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #795 on: June 29, 2021, 06:17:52 PM »
I enjoy videogames about fighting this kind of plague:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-57658859
5,000 year old man was 'oldest plague victim'
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« Reply #796 on: December 10, 2021, 01:51:36 AM »
Man, this headline butchers things.  As if Omicron can remove vaccine efficacy against prior variants. 
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/07/omicron-significantly-reduces-covid-antibody-protection-in-small-study-of-pfizer-vaccine-recipients.html?recirc=taboolainternal
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« Reply #797 on: December 10, 2021, 10:11:57 AM »
Considering that I have seen very similar (but not quite identical) headlines across all sorts of media outlets in the last few days, I strongly suspect that in this case the blame lies with whoever wrote the press release. And not as much with the journalists.

But yeah, it's a crappy, crappy headline.
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Re: I hate journalistic writing
« Reply #798 on: December 10, 2021, 10:27:35 AM »
I thought the same thing when I saw that the other day, Pooka.

That's not how this works! That's not how any of this works!
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« Reply #799 on: January 04, 2022, 03:59:16 PM »
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