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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2075 on: June 20, 2019, 06:24:57 AM »
It would fit with God's rejection of Cain's sacrifice
Which was about attitude, not general category. (He gave whatever, rather than selecting the best.)

and the general bias against farming and preference for nomadic herding that you see in the Hebrew scriptures.
Wait, WHAT? No. Just no. Go back and read Ruth again. Having to be a nomadic shepherd for various practical reasons is not a rejection of farming, and more than having to be moneylenders in the middle ages was.

Also, in Jewish thought, the forbidden item, whatever it may have been, was in no way bad or evil. (That would a Christian notion.) Had they resisted the temptation to take it when it was forbidden, it would have been provided by God as a gift later.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2076 on: June 20, 2019, 09:16:05 AM »
I can't speak for other Christians, but I would say that in Mormon thought, the forbidden fruit wasn't evil either. Eating it was not a sin but a transgression—that is, it was wrong because God told them not to do it, not because it was inherently evil.

I'm not sure I've heard anything in the LDS Church about God having planned on giving it to them later, though.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2077 on: June 20, 2019, 06:24:52 PM »
I can't speak for other Christians, but I would say that in Mormon thought, the forbidden fruit wasn't evil either. Eating it was not a sin but a transgression—that is, it was wrong because God told them not to do it, not because it was inherently evil.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2078 on: September 11, 2019, 09:41:06 AM »
Jonathon, can you tell me how "gal" developed? is it short for something or just a mutation of girl?
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2079 on: September 11, 2019, 10:02:12 AM »
Yeah, it was originally just a dialectal pronunciation of girl. The OED says it's a US or southern British pronunciation (probably southern US, since /r/ dropping is common in the South). It might be part of the same process that gave us pairs like burst/bust, curse/cuss, horse/hoss, barse/bass, and arse/ass.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2080 on: September 11, 2019, 01:36:10 PM »
cool. Thank you!
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2081 on: September 23, 2019, 11:50:31 AM »
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process that gave us pairs like burst/bust, curse/cuss, horse/hoss, barse/bass, and arse/ass.

This reads like a brainstorm for Old Town Road.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2082 on: September 23, 2019, 12:19:16 PM »
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2083 on: September 23, 2019, 12:19:46 PM »
Okay, just kidding. But I have no idea what Old Town Road is.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2084 on: September 23, 2019, 02:18:04 PM »
It's a 2018 pop song that is sort of a country song, sort of a hip hop song. It has been sort of ubiquitous, topping the country charts and very popular with kids (from what I understand). The lyrics include mention of horses.

I was definitely reaching with the joke. It hinges on associating hip hop with cussing & asses, and misreading barse/bass to be about musical bass.

I'm sorry. :D
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2085 on: September 23, 2019, 02:52:07 PM »
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2086 on: November 07, 2019, 10:11:52 AM »
"Scale" is a funny word. How did the thing that measures your weight, the thing on the outside of a fish, what you do to get on top of a mountain, and an ascending group of musical notes all get to share the same word?
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2087 on: November 07, 2019, 01:56:41 PM »
It looks like there are at least two distinct roots involved, one of which came into English via a couple different routes.

One root is the Latin scala, meaning 'stairs, ladder'. This gives us the sense of climbing, and idea of a sequence of ascending steps also gives us the sense of musical scales. The idea of fixed intervals also gives us the sense of numerical scales and scales on maps. From that we also get the sense of size more generally.

The second root is the Proto-Germanic *skalo, which could apparently mean 'scale,' 'bowl,' or 'cup'. It ultimately comes from a root that means 'split'. The Online Etymology Dictionary says this comes from the notion of splitting a bivalve in half and using its shell as a cup. This old Germanic word was borrowed into French, probably via Frankish, to refer to fish or snake scales, and then it was borrowed into English.

This Proto-Germanic root became skal in Old Norse, and in the plural it was used to refer to the device for weighing things, because they use pans or bowls on each side.

Coincidentally, that Proto-Germanic root also gives us the English word shell.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2088 on: November 07, 2019, 03:01:58 PM »
Very interesting!
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2089 on: November 08, 2019, 03:35:40 AM »
Nice.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2090 on: November 14, 2019, 02:56:39 PM »
Why does "copycat" mean that something imitative? Cats are not known for their copying.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2092 on: November 15, 2019, 10:14:13 AM »
Ok, then.  How come irritating people get my goat?  I don't even have a goat.  I know lots of irritating people, who always seem to be getting someone's goat, and yet these people never seem to have a bunch of goats hanging around them.  What are they doing with all those goats that they've gotten from other people?  Has anyone in the history of small claims court ever successfully sued for the return of their goat from the person who allegedly got it from them?
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2093 on: November 15, 2019, 11:38:02 AM »
It looks like that one's origins are unclear. There's a popular theory that it has to do with putting a goat in the stall with race horses before a race to calm them, and sometimes opponents would take the goat to upset the horse. But that sounds pretty bogus to me, and that site says that there's no evidence for it.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2094 on: November 29, 2019, 06:07:08 AM »
I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this, but it is the random etymology of the day.  I just learned from wikipedia that not only were most of the folk etymologies I learned over the years deliberate jokes, but the show ended before the Vietnam War did.  It's like the first time you learned that because light speed is not nearly instantaneous, you might be looking at a star that is long since dead. 
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2095 on: December 20, 2019, 08:25:23 AM »
The word puny comes from the Old French puisne, from the earlier puis nez 'born after'. It originally meant 'junior' and then took on the sense 'inferior in rank' and then 'small, weak, insignificant'.

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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2096 on: December 24, 2019, 07:09:33 AM »
Interesting!


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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2097 on: February 11, 2020, 06:21:25 PM »
Jonathon, I asked you this on twitter, but I'm not entirely sure that people get notified when I do that in the way that I did with you, so I thought I'd ask here as well. Do you have any insight into the etymology of the term "horaltic"? Another person in the twitter thread is asserting that it "almost certainly a misspelling of 'heraldic'", which, I mean, maybe? But also maybe not?
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2098 on: February 11, 2020, 08:35:23 PM »
https://rec.birds.narkive.com/WoEbL6Va/horaltic

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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2099 on: February 12, 2020, 08:56:55 AM »
I've never heard it and can't find any documentation on it anywhere except in Wiktionary, and even there it's not exactly well documented. The word looks like a fairly recent invention, though I'm not sure whether it's a mishearing of "heraldic" or something else entirely. I've seen a couple other speculative etymologies, like the Latin horal 'pertaining to hours' or the Egyptian god Horus, but I don't think either of those make sense.
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