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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2100 on: February 12, 2020, 12:05:20 PM »
I don't know if you saw this thread, Jake, but I think it and some of the replies support the idea that it started as a mishearing of heraldic. So far nobody's been able to date it to earlier than 2005, and there's evidence of the phrase pose héraldique in French, so it certainly sounds like a mishearing to me. I have no idea why such a thing would spread, but people are weird that way.

Maybe someone saw it and thought, "Oh, that's cool—I didn't know there was a word for that specific behavior" and started repeating it. People like knowing obscure words for random things, like the fact that the plastic tip on a shoelace is called an aglet, and they like sharing those words even if they don't really use them.

And by the way, I did get a notification of your tweet yesterday but hadn't had time to respond to it before you posted here. Just so you know that your tweets aren't disappearing into the void or something.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2101 on: February 12, 2020, 12:35:54 PM »
People like knowing obscure words for random things, like the fact that the plastic tip on a shoelace is called an aglet, and they like sharing those words even if they don't really use them.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2102 on: April 17, 2020, 02:53:21 PM »
Batter. It can mean to attack and beat or the stuff you bake into a cake. And battery. It can mean a beating or the thing you need to make your flashlight work.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2103 on: April 21, 2020, 05:09:07 PM »
Aggravated battery is when you get caught licking the brownie spoon. 
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2104 on: April 22, 2020, 12:06:36 PM »
Batter comes from an Old French word meaning 'to beat'. The stuff you bake into a cake is a mixture that is beaten together.

Battery started out with the meaning of 'beating' or 'bombardment' and then shifted to the thing that does the bombardment, or artillery. The shift to 'thing that stores electrical charge' is a little less clear. Apparently Benjamin Franklin was the first to use the word in this sense, and it may come from the idea that a battery discharges electricity in the same way that a piece of artillery discharges a shot.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2105 on: April 22, 2020, 08:55:59 PM »
Interesting, Jonathon.


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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2106 on: April 22, 2020, 10:31:55 PM »
Is butter (made by churning (i.e. beating)) related too?
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2107 on: April 23, 2020, 09:37:56 AM »
Butter has a completely unrelated origin: it's apparently from the Ancient Greek boutyron, from bous 'cow' plus tyros 'cheese'. But the Online Etymology Dictionary says that this may be a folk etymology for a Scythian word. That is, the Greeks and Romans didn't use butter, but the Indians and Iranians did. The Greeks may have borrowed the word for 'butter' from the Scythians, a group of nomadic Iranian tribes in central Asia, and then folk etymologized it to something in Greek.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2108 on: April 23, 2020, 09:59:35 AM »
Huh. Interesting.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2109 on: October 25, 2021, 12:11:17 PM »
This morning Ruth pointed out an obvious etymology that I'd somehow never noticed before: difficult is essentially dis- + facile (though it's slightly more complicated than that). It's a little more obvious in Spanish or French, where the words are fácil/facile and difícil/difficile. (She made the connection while doing a Duolingo lesson in Spanish.)

The word facile isn't as common in English as easy, and it usually means something that was not just easy but shallow or simplistic in some way. Facile comes from the root of the Latin verb facere "to do" plus the suffix -ilis, which forms what Wiktionary calls "an adjective noun of relation, frequently passive, to the verb or root." In simpler terms, facilis meant "doable" or "easy to do".

Difficult has a slight more convoluted history. Wiktionary says that it was backformed from difficulty, which was borrowed from the Old French difficulté, which came from the Latin difficultas. Difficultas is essentially difficilis plus the sufffix -tas, which forms abstract nouns (like the English suffixes -hood or -ness). And difficilis is just dis- plus facilis. So difficulty is basically the state of being not easy or not doable.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2110 on: November 21, 2021, 10:57:01 AM »
TIL the "ser" in assert is the same as in serial.  It means to put in a row.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2111 on: November 22, 2021, 06:55:38 AM »
"Brandish" comes from "burning," which is why I guess people like to do it with firearms.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2112 on: October 29, 2022, 11:45:51 PM »
mendicant and mendacious apparently share the rood of mend- meaning fault, cf. amend.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/mendacious#etymonline_v_12576
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendiant
which is a confection honoring 4 monastic orders that is recalled by the Cadbury fruit and nut bar.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2113 on: October 30, 2022, 10:18:22 AM »
Hippocampus apparently has nothing to do with a college for pachyderms.  I rather enjoyed the image of all those hippopotamuses throwing Frisbees around on the quad between classes.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2114 on: October 30, 2022, 05:42:55 PM »
Hippocampus comes from the Greek hippos 'horse' + kampos 'sea monster'. It was a half-horse half-fish (or half-dolphin) creature that supposedly pulled Neptune's chariot. In the late 1500s it became a name for seahorses, and the part of the brain was named after it because it supposedly looks like a seahorse.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2115 on: November 01, 2022, 12:21:53 AM »
I knew that, but now I am vastly entertained by the image of Esther's quad. I see the inhabitants as being in the style of Sandra Boynton.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2116 on: December 28, 2022, 09:06:13 AM »
Can is shortened from canister, which is why canning things in jars makes sense.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2117 on: January 11, 2023, 05:51:09 AM »
What is the etymology of "yeet"?  I hear it everywhere now.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2118 on: January 11, 2023, 10:07:04 AM »
It's not in the Online Etymology Dictionary, and Wiktionary just describes how it was popularized. I don't think anyone knows how the word was actually formed. I'd guess that etymologists would say that the word is of "imitative origin" or something like that.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2120 on: July 10, 2023, 06:31:12 AM »
Huh. I had no idea that orca was derived from orc.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2122 on: July 27, 2023, 11:22:27 PM »
Cool.  I'd wondered about it, but never thought to look it up.

I was thinking about what a weird word "cantaloupe" is, and thinking about the etymology, which seems like it would mean "wolf song", so I looked it up, and it kind of does.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2123 on: July 28, 2023, 09:26:52 AM »
Cool.  I'd wondered about it, but never thought to look it up.
Neither did I. It showed up in my newsfeed.


I was thinking about what a weird word "cantaloupe" is, and thinking about the etymology, which seems like it would mean "wolf song", so I looked it up, and it kind of does.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #2124 on: August 03, 2023, 09:40:41 AM »
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also cantaloup, small, round type of melon, 1739, from French, from Italian, from Cantalupo, name of a former Papal summer estate near Rome, where the melons first were grown in Europe after their introduction (supposedly from Armenia). The place name seems to be "singing wolf" and might refer to a spot where wolves gathered, but the name or the story might be folk etymology.]also cantaloup, small, round type of melon, 1739, from French, from Italian, from Cantalupo, name of a former Papal summer estate near Rome, where the melons first were grown in Europe after their introduction (supposedly from Armenia). The place name seems to be "singing wolf" and might refer to a spot where wolves gathered, but the name or the story might be folk etymology.
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