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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #650 on: April 16, 2013, 09:57:26 PM »
I suppose it's implied, though it's not grammatically a direct or an indirect question. But why would that make you worry about whether it's correct?
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #651 on: April 17, 2013, 06:07:09 PM »
I suppose it's implied, though it's not grammatically a direct or an indirect question. But why would that make you worry about whether it's correct?
Because when I write and use that word, I keep getting a nagging feeling I'm doing it wrong.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #652 on: April 17, 2013, 09:32:30 PM »
Okay. I don't think you have any reason to worry.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #653 on: April 23, 2013, 06:56:36 PM »
Yesterday I was in the waiting room of a clinic, and was shamelessly eavesdropping on the conversation of the couple that was sitting next to me. They were both elderly, and from their accents I'd guess they were probably from the backwoods of Kentucky. The woman was worrying that the previous night's frost had killed the blossoms on their pear tree, and her husband pointed out that it didn't make any difference, since the deer would just eat the pears once they got to a certain size. The woman laughed and told him that he just needed to set up a lawn chair for himself and sit out there shooing them off all day. Then she said (and this is why I'm telling this here instead of the People thread on sake) "That's you a job," meaning "that's a job for you," said in a way that indicated that she was jokingly assigning him the task. Have you ever heard of a construction like that? I was pretty taken with it (and with them, really. They were pretty charming. The pear comment was the only thing that the guy said that wasn't "Well, I don't rightly know," "Well, that could be, but I really can't say," or "I could believe that, but I don't know it."
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #654 on: April 23, 2013, 07:16:38 PM »
You underestimate my ability to take things seriously!

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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #655 on: April 23, 2013, 07:26:05 PM »
How cool is it that you've actually written a post about precisely that obscure turn of phrase? 11.

Interesting post, too.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #656 on: April 23, 2013, 07:32:56 PM »
Thanks!
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #657 on: May 03, 2013, 02:18:51 PM »
I just have this nagging feeling that 'please' used to always making a sentence a question, but it's not used that way anymore.

Nope. It just comes from the verb please and was used in constructions like "if it pleases you" or the older "if (it) you please" before being shortened to just "please".
Right, but the "If you please" part is essentially asking a yes or no question.

"It pleases me not."

"It pleases me."
Not really.

Try substituting "if you please" with equivalent phrases like "If you want to" or "if you're willing", and it's obvious.

"Get in the car, if you want to live."
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #658 on: May 24, 2013, 11:40:02 AM »
Dear Expert:

The Boy Scout Oath was adopted in 1911:
On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight
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In 1911, did "straight" have the same meaning as it does today vis a vis heterosexuality?  When did "straight" come to be synonymous with heterosexual?
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #659 on: May 24, 2013, 12:26:07 PM »
The OED dates it to 1941.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #660 on: May 24, 2013, 02:07:51 PM »
Thanks, expert!
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #661 on: May 24, 2013, 02:14:02 PM »
You're welcome!
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #662 on: May 24, 2013, 02:22:08 PM »
Dear expert,

"Myriad different forms."

Or,

"A myriad of different forms."?
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #663 on: May 24, 2013, 02:28:54 PM »
Either. There's a good usage note here.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #664 on: May 24, 2013, 03:02:50 PM »
Interesting. I was always told only to use the first one. But today I watched Walking With Dinosaurs with Tristan, and the narrator used the second form. While the BBC isn't infallible, they usually wouldn't get something like that wrong, so I asked.

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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #665 on: May 24, 2013, 04:28:30 PM »
While the BBC isn't infallible, they usually wouldn't get something like that wrong, so I asked.

People get things "wrong" according to the rules quite often, because the rules are often inventions that contradict actual usage. Also, there are a lot of rules that Americans have latched onto that Britons don't know or care about.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #666 on: May 24, 2013, 04:57:09 PM »
OK.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #667 on: May 24, 2013, 05:04:15 PM »
Also, there are a lot of rules that Americans have latched onto that Britons don't know or care about.
One assumes the reverse is true as well, though.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #668 on: May 24, 2013, 05:12:15 PM »
Not as far as I can tell. They seem to care more about regional dialects and class distinctions. I think Americans latch on to the rules because we don't have as much of the other stuff.
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« Reply #669 on: May 24, 2013, 06:29:35 PM »
Interesting.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #670 on: May 29, 2013, 01:07:47 PM »
I heard something hysterical on the radio the other day i was going to post in overheard but I forgot what it was.  It was an unintentional vulgarity.  Probably got displaced by the speaker in church who I'm pretty sure said g.d. after some other slip of the tongue. 
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #671 on: June 02, 2013, 09:18:28 AM »
I always forget that this half of the forum exists. 

So, linguistics gurus, I have a question:  is it more correct to say "for forever" or just "forever".  eg: "I would feel that lifting of the weight of school I get at the end of every year, but multiplied several times as I realized that I wasn't just done for the year, I was done [for?] forever!"
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« Reply #672 on: June 02, 2013, 10:39:46 AM »
Just forever, not for forever, because that's repetitively redundant.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #673 on: June 02, 2013, 08:16:34 PM »
"For forever" sounds kind of awkward at best. Strictly speaking, there's nothing grammatically wrong with it, since "forever" can be a noun; I think it's just a problem of how it sounds. Consider that in COCA there are nearly 20,000 hits for "forever", but the string "for forever" appears only 24 times, and most of those are in speech or in dialogue in fiction works.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #674 on: June 12, 2013, 08:09:43 AM »
See? I completely forgot I even posted on this half of the forum!  Anyway, thanks very much! :)
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