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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #350 on: November 17, 2011, 09:11:55 AM »
Why is there malign and malignant but not benign and benignant?  I want benignant.


Can you do anything, as a language maven, to make it happen?

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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #351 on: November 17, 2011, 09:18:56 AM »
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #352 on: November 17, 2011, 10:01:57 AM »
*smiles benignantly*
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #353 on: November 17, 2011, 10:12:26 AM »
Is that powdered sugar on your chin?

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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #354 on: November 17, 2011, 10:22:25 AM »
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #355 on: November 17, 2011, 10:28:43 AM »


I will accept offerings in the form of beignets.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #356 on: November 18, 2011, 12:40:19 PM »
curse you and your subliminal frankish pastries!
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #357 on: November 24, 2011, 09:37:01 AM »
If Bruce Wayne does a good deed in a tavern is that considered a bar mitzvah or a bat mitzvah?

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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #358 on: January 06, 2012, 01:32:39 AM »
¿Is it just in English that the "four letter words" have four letters?
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« Reply #359 on: January 06, 2012, 09:07:16 AM »
In French they have more, but they're silent.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #360 on: January 31, 2012, 02:30:10 PM »
I keep hearing how "irregardless" is not a word.  How can it not be a word?  It looks like a word.  What is it, if it is not a word?

How do new words get made legitimate?
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #361 on: January 31, 2012, 03:18:12 PM »
I think you mean "How are new words legitimated?"
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #362 on: January 31, 2012, 06:21:04 PM »
I keep hearing how "irregardless" is not a word.  How can it not be a word?  It looks like a word.  What is it, if it is not a word?

How do new words get made legitimate?
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #363 on: January 31, 2012, 07:09:15 PM »
Flammable became a word in much the same way.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #364 on: January 31, 2012, 09:09:10 PM »
I keep hearing how "irregardless" is not a word.  How can it not be a word?  It looks like a word.  What is it, if it is not a word?

How do new words get made legitimate?

What people effectively mean when they say something isn't a word is that it's a word that they strongly dislike. As you said, of course it's a word.

The last question is much trickier, though, because it depends on what you mean by "legitimate." Irregardless is legitimate in the sense that it's a real word that people use. It's even in dictionaries. Words become legitimate in this broader sense when enough people use them.

But if by "legitimate" you mean standard, then that's something different. Irregardless is a real word, but it's nonstandard because it's not accepted by enough educated speakers. And that's unlikely to happen with irregardless because of its ill-formedness and its frequent use by less-educated speakers.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #365 on: January 31, 2012, 09:11:12 PM »
Also, if you want to know how a word gets into the dictionary, I'd recommend this video.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #366 on: January 31, 2012, 09:26:32 PM »
Flammable became a word in much the same way.
But . . . that was before I was born, so how could it happen over my body, dead or otherwise?
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« Reply #367 on: February 01, 2012, 08:36:26 AM »
Good point! ;)
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #368 on: February 01, 2012, 08:50:13 AM »
Flammable became a word in much the same way.
But . . . that was before I was born, so how could it happen over my body, dead or otherwise?

Preincarnation?


Now that should definitely be made a word.  Everyone write it so that the dictionary people take notice.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #369 on: February 01, 2012, 09:01:04 AM »
Did I ever talk to you guys about my theory that because Germans stick words together like legos, they don't have very many great writers?  That is, there is not the popular hero worship for people who can write well in German?  (My brother in law got his doctorate in German literature so of course there are a lot of good german writers.)
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #370 on: February 01, 2012, 09:13:21 AM »
I don't think I've heard that theory before, but I don't believe it. At the very least I'm highly skeptical of the idea that there's somehow a connection, especially since I know that German does have some great writers.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #371 on: February 01, 2012, 09:55:06 AM »
Like, maybe, Goethe?
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« Reply #372 on: February 01, 2012, 12:23:05 PM »
Oh, come on. No one can even pronounce his name!
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #373 on: February 01, 2012, 07:59:27 PM »
I can.
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Re: Dear Expert
« Reply #374 on: February 01, 2012, 08:05:31 PM »
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That's not so hard, is it?
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