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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1625 on: September 05, 2012, 06:35:07 PM »
I do love me a Reuben every now and again.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1626 on: September 07, 2012, 01:06:11 PM »
Now I have a question that won't leave my mind.  It's not really an etymology question, but it haunts me:

What is the shelf life of stinky tofu?  How can you tell if it's expired?  Can a food be perishable if it has already perished?  Is it zombie tofu?
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1627 on: September 08, 2012, 03:46:36 PM »
Porpoise comes from the Old French porc pais, literally meaning "pig fish".
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1628 on: September 09, 2012, 11:00:20 AM »
Like this? Full-grown pigs are heavy, and I don't think they'd hang on to your back very well.
I bet if they were live, and they weren't full grown. Also, I'm talking about one man carrying a pig. Obviously if you have 2+ 'mans' you change tactics or if you are using a tool.
If it was good enough for calf transportation in ancient Greece, I don't see why it wouldn't work with pigs below a certain size.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1629 on: September 09, 2012, 11:03:39 AM »
That is a good point. I was envisioning a pig riding piggyback the same way a small child would, and I couldn't really see how that would work. But if people carried small pigs that way, that would provide some motivation for reanalyzing pick-pack or pick-a-back as piggyback.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1630 on: September 09, 2012, 11:06:52 AM »
I've seen sculptures of rams being carried in this same way, but I've never seen one of a pig being carried like that, for what it's worth (and domesticated pigs were common in ancient Greece).
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1631 on: September 09, 2012, 02:24:03 PM »
I'd be concerned with incontinence issues.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1632 on: September 09, 2012, 04:56:03 PM »
Pretty sure that ovine and bovine legs bend differently than porcine legs. There's also the ratio of belly diameter to leg length issue.

However, I am still all for BB attempting it with a properly greased specimen.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1633 on: September 09, 2012, 07:47:28 PM »
And I'm still up for trying. Let me just find a county fair and I'll bring my flip-cam, and a bucket of grease.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1634 on: September 10, 2012, 07:02:30 AM »
Now I have a question that won't leave my mind.  It's not really an etymology question, but it haunts me:

What is the shelf life of stinky tofu?  How can you tell if it's expired?  Can a food be perishable if it has already perished?  Is it zombie tofu?

Anybody?  No, really, I'm curious.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1635 on: September 10, 2012, 09:43:57 AM »
And I'm still up for trying. Let me just find a county fair and I'll bring my flip-cam, and a bucket of grease.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1636 on: September 11, 2012, 01:42:56 AM »
Now I have a question that won't leave my mind.  It's not really an etymology question, but it haunts me:

What is the shelf life of stinky tofu?  How can you tell if it's expired?  Can a food be perishable if it has already perished?  Is it zombie tofu?

Anybody?  No, really, I'm curious.

I've only ever seen people buy it ready-to-eat. It's a snack food you get on the street.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1637 on: September 11, 2012, 06:39:43 AM »
And I'm still up for trying. Let me just find a county fair and I'll bring my flip-cam, and a bucket of grease.
Do you want to borrow one of my decorative codpieces?
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1638 on: September 11, 2012, 10:24:18 AM »
Yeah, my reaction to that statue is "that's not piggy-back!".
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1639 on: September 11, 2012, 10:29:11 AM »
I used to hear The Beatles song "Paperback Writer" as "Piggyback Rider".

Still kind of do, sometimes.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1640 on: September 12, 2012, 08:26:20 PM »
And now I will too!
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1641 on: September 12, 2012, 08:46:34 PM »
Omen and amen -- any connection?
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1642 on: September 12, 2012, 09:03:52 PM »
It would appear not. Amen is from a Hebrew word meaning "truth", but omen is from a Latin word of unknown origin, but it doesn't appear to be related. The Old Latin form was osmen, so the phonetic gap between the two seems to get wider the further back you go, and I don't think there are very many (if any) borrowings from Hebrew to Latin.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1643 on: September 12, 2012, 09:14:12 PM »
Thanks.

It didn't seem likely, but I was thinking earlier today that with one of the common Hebrew pronunciations*, "omen" actually makes more sense as a spelling than "amen" does. And the train of thought proceeded from there.

*In English, it's "AY-men", but that's not how it's said in Hebrew at all. The way I would say it is "ah-MEHN", but it's also common to say "oh-MEYN".
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1644 on: September 12, 2012, 09:20:36 PM »
Could it be that the Hebrew "amen" is related in meaning to the Egyptian sun God "Ahman-Ra?"
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1645 on: September 12, 2012, 10:26:35 PM »
Thanks.

It didn't seem likely, but I was thinking earlier today that with one of the common Hebrew pronunciations*, "omen" actually makes more sense as a spelling than "amen" does. And the train of thought proceeded from there.

*In English, it's "AY-men", but that's not how it's said in Hebrew at all. The way I would say it is "ah-MEHN", but it's also common to say "oh-MEYN".

The English pronunciation (the first vowel, anyway) is a result of the Great Vowel Shift. Of course, some English speakers still say "AH-men", apparently from the traditional pronunciation when sung, which is much closer to the original.

I don't know much about Hebrew dialects, especially historically, but I would guess that it was either amen historically, with some dialects moving to the omen pronunciation sometime after it was borrowed into Latin, or both forms existed historically, but the word was borrowed from a dialect that used the ah pronunciation.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1646 on: September 12, 2012, 10:34:58 PM »
Could it be that the Hebrew "amen" is related in meaning to the Egyptian sun God "Ahman-Ra?"

From what I can find, "Amun" (or however you spell it) meant "hidden", and Wikipedia says that it comes from an earlier form Yamānu, though someone has flagged this as "citation needed". It doesn't look like there's any relation there.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1647 on: September 13, 2012, 01:36:15 AM »
And just in case anyone was wondering, ramen is not etymologically related either.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1648 on: September 13, 2012, 11:04:58 AM »
Other than the worshipful attitude of early teens to announcements that we have bought it at the store.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1649 on: September 14, 2012, 12:00:09 PM »
Universal is from universe, right? What about university?
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