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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #250 on: March 05, 2011, 11:40:23 PM »
For some definitions of cromulent.
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #252 on: March 19, 2011, 09:32:38 AM »
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #254 on: March 24, 2011, 04:03:40 PM »
How on earth do you look up ♥ in a dictionary?
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #256 on: March 24, 2011, 04:25:21 PM »
How on earth do you look up ♥ in a dictionary?

The symbol is not in the dictionary. The verb heart now has an additional definition:

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trans. colloq. (orig. U.S.). To love; to be fond of.
Originally with reference to logos using the symbol of a heart to denote the verb ‘love’: see quot. 1983.
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« Reply #257 on: March 24, 2011, 04:39:14 PM »
How on earth do you look up ♥ in a dictionary?

The symbol is not in the dictionary. The verb heart now has an additional definition:

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trans. colloq. (orig. U.S.). To love; to be fond of.
Originally with reference to logos using the symbol of a heart to denote the verb ‘love’: see quot. 1983.
Ah.  I was going to say that makes sense, but the whole idea of including it in the dictionary doesn't make any sense to me.
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« Reply #258 on: March 24, 2011, 05:27:13 PM »
Why not?
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #259 on: March 24, 2011, 06:48:17 PM »
Why not?
Because that heart symbol is essentially a glyph and English doesn't use glyphs.  Should graemlins all get an entry in the dictionary if they become prevalent enough?
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #260 on: March 24, 2011, 06:55:48 PM »
But the symbol isn't in the dictionary—the spelled-out form heart is. Here are the example sentences from the OED:

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[1983    Associated Press (Nexis) 16 Nov.,   From Berlin to the Urals, teen-agers wear T-shirts reading, ‘Elvis’, ‘Always Stoned’, and ‘I (heart) New York’.]
1984    About Helmet Visor Screws in net.cycle (Usenet newsgroup) 26 June,   Joe ‘I heart my dogs [sic] head’ Weinstein.
1986    Daily Collegian (Pennsylvania State Univ.) 14 Feb. 2/3,   I just want to say to my Bunny Boo I Heart you Kathleen.
1998    Houston Chron. 10 May (Chronilog section) 7/1,   I think he's so cute. I heart him to bits.
2003    Time Out N.Y. 7 Aug. 77/1   If you heart dance like DJ Scott does, then hie thee down to this little drink spot tonight.
2009    A. Ham et al. Middle East (Lonely Planet) (ed. 6) 141/1   We heart the brownies (E£4).
2010    Observer 18 July 13/4,   I hearted Take That‥with a teary passion that was deemed unbecoming in a Jesus and Mary Chain fan.

As with pretty much all news stories about new words in dictionaries, this one is not entirely accurate.
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #261 on: March 24, 2011, 07:00:55 PM »
So did they just add usage examples for the word heart?
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« Reply #262 on: March 24, 2011, 07:01:08 PM »
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As with pretty much all news stories about new words in dictionaries, this one is not entirely accurate.
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #263 on: March 24, 2011, 07:19:41 PM »
So did they just add usage examples for the word heart?

I'm not sure what you mean.

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As with pretty much all news stories about new words in dictionaries, this one is not entirely accurate.

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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #264 on: March 24, 2011, 07:27:49 PM »
Jonathon: So did they just expand how the word "heart" is used to include phrases like, "I heart boobs" (sorry I don't know why celebrity jeopardy came to mind).  Or did they actually give the symbol a spelling of h-e-a-r-t and give it its own entry?
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« Reply #265 on: March 24, 2011, 07:31:48 PM »
Is there any difference between the two?
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #266 on: March 24, 2011, 07:41:27 PM »
They expanded the already-existing entry for the verb heart, which originally had senses along the lines of "hearten" and "encourage" and some other, more specialized senses.
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« Reply #267 on: March 24, 2011, 09:48:30 PM »
They expanded the already-existing entry for the verb heart, which originally had senses along the lines of "hearten" and "encourage" and some other, more specialized senses.
Ah, OK.

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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #268 on: March 28, 2011, 09:08:09 AM »
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« Reply #269 on: March 28, 2011, 09:19:01 AM »
My son just pointed out the very same thing to me this morning.  Coincidence?
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« Reply #270 on: March 28, 2011, 09:22:55 AM »
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« Reply #271 on: March 28, 2011, 09:32:03 AM »
That's how I found it.
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« Reply #272 on: March 28, 2011, 09:56:18 AM »
That's how he found it, too! What a coincidence!
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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #273 on: April 06, 2011, 10:19:54 AM »
A former coworkers of mine stopped by my desk this morning, and we were talking. He'd  intended to loan me a book he has two copies of, and was apologizing for only being able to offer my the shabbier copy. He said "I better book Tim loaned," and then looked kind of startled for a moment before phrasing his comment as "I loaned Tim the better book." He has best-native proficiency in English, but his first language is a tribal language from the northern India. I'd bet my eyeteeth that what I saw there was a glimpse of his native language's word order.

By the way, I wasn't actually trying to post this in this thread,  but by the time I realized I'd clicked into the wrong thread I'd already typed the message out, and I don't yet know how to copy and paste text with the phone I'm using to connect to GC. So...

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Re: Funny English and Linguistics stuff...
« Reply #274 on: April 06, 2011, 11:08:32 AM »
A former coworkers of mine stopped by my desk this morning, and we were talking. He'd  intended to loan me a book he has two copies of, and was apologizing for only being able to offer my the shabbier copy. He said "I better book Tim loaned," and then looked kind of startled for a moment before phrasing his comment as "I loaned Tim the better book." He has best-native proficiency in English, but his first language is a tribal language from the northern India. I'd bet my eyeteeth that what I saw there was a glimpse of his native language's word order.

I believe you're right. Hindi languages are all (as far as I know) subject-object-verb, and at least some of them are object-oblique-verb (meaning direct objects proceed indirect or other kinds of objects).

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By the way, I wasn't actually trying to post this in this thread,  but by the time I realized I'd clicked into the wrong thread I'd already typed the message out, and I don't yet know how to copy and paste text with the phone I'm using to connect to GC. So...

If this message has offended
Think but this and all is mended
That Jake's long not posted here
And while misplaced posts are drear
Once he's learned his phone's features
Such mistakes will be rare creatures.
GCers do not reprehend
When I get home I will mend
My missive's faulty placement
And perform self-abasement
Now to scape the serpent's tongue
I will make amends ere long
Else the Jake a liar call
Until then good day to all
Give me your hands, if we be friends
And No'mon shall restore amends.
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