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« on: April 29, 2007, 08:00:27 PM »
Someone I receive emails from a lot uses ellipses way too much and in rather incorrect ways.

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May I pick your brains for a moment? . . .

This one is the worst:

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It's hard to believe that QP is in 3 days and that Slope Day is next week?!?! . . .

I don't even understand why the ?!?! was necessary at the end. Everytime I get an email from him with ellipses I want to cry.  

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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2007, 08:10:12 PM »
Ellipses do seem to be pretty popular with people who don't know how to punctuate. Usually they're just used in place of every thing else, including commas, dashes, colons, and periods, but I'm not sure I've ever seen them used after sentence-final punctuation like that. In other words: yeah, that would drive me nuts.
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2007, 08:28:12 PM »
"Sometimes you need a weirdo to tell you that things have gotten weird. Your normal friends, neighbors, and coworkers won’t tell you."
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2007, 08:38:18 PM »
o_O

Though the dancing punctuation is amusing.  

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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2007, 09:12:29 PM »
"Sometimes you need a weirdo to tell you that things have gotten weird. Your normal friends, neighbors, and coworkers won’t tell you."
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2007, 09:21:48 PM »
That was awesome!  

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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2007, 09:30:29 PM »
Victor Borge is pretty awesome. :)
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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2007, 09:39:48 PM »
I once saw him in concert, years ago, and he did that punctuation shtick.  Cracked me the heck up!

The other thing that I see people use -- instead of proper punctuation -- and in lieu of the ellipses -- is the dash.  My boss -- she sends me emails -- with the dash in just about every sentence.

Maybe she's thinking -- I'll just dash off an email to Esther -- she likes emails!
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2007, 07:15:03 AM »
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Ellipses do seem to be pretty popular with people who don't know how to punctuate.
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The other thing that I see people use -- instead of proper punctuation -- and in lieu of the ellipses -- is the dash.
I am guilty on both counts.
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2007, 08:26:14 AM »
Ditto.  I guess it's a good thing I lurk more than post. . . .

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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2007, 08:29:42 AM »
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Ellipses do seem to be pretty popular with people who don't know how to punctuate.
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The other thing that I see people use -- instead of proper punctuation -- and in lieu of the ellipses -- is the dash.
I am guilty on both counts.
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I have never noticed these problems in your writing, Porter. Nor yours, Amilia (though admittedly I don't have much to go off of).
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2007, 07:59:49 AM »
So, what good are these...?

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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2007, 08:13:11 AM »
They typically indicate speech that is faltering or trailing off. In quotations, they indicate that something has been omitted. If you're using ellipses to string endless clauses together, you're doing it wrong. If you can get away without using them, you probably should. I'd say that ellipses should be used even more sparingly than semicolons.
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2007, 08:42:30 AM »
Jonathon, do you think that I overuse semicolons?  I admit to a fondness for them. ;)
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2007, 08:46:45 AM »
I love semicolons (and parentheses) too; I tend to use them more often than I probably should.
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2007, 08:48:32 AM »
Do you like the semicolon-parentheses combo?

;-)
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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2007, 08:49:53 AM »
I use them a lot more when I'm joking around. ;)
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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2007, 08:54:06 AM »
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Jonathon, do you think that I overuse semicolons?  I admit to a fondness for them. ;)
Punctuation overuse is very hard to define. I think it becomes annoying when it draws too much attention to itself instead of simply serving as a guide to the reader. But opinions on when it crosses that line will naturally vary. Maybe someone out there thinks you're a semicolon abuser; I certainly don't.

By the way, my weakness is dashes and parentheses.
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2007, 08:56:39 AM »
I actually use semicolons a lot when programming, but it's pretty much required in C++.
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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2007, 08:57:28 AM »
That's a whole nother sort of syntax.
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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2007, 08:59:41 AM »
Yup.
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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2007, 10:12:17 AM »
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By the way, my weakness is dashes and parentheses.
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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2007, 01:42:40 PM »
<--- Also wishes to confess to dash and parens [and brackets!] overuse.
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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2007, 01:46:38 PM »
I enjoy using parens.  For informal writing, such as on forums, it's extremely handy.
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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2007, 01:47:22 PM »
I like any method of setting of parts of sentences.  Dashes and parentheses and semicolons -- all will work.

My speech is filled with parenthetical asides, and I've consciously decided to try and make my forum posts mimic my speech patterns (and vice versa, to a certain extent).
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