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Where you live, is "appetizing" a noun?
« on: November 29, 2006, 06:21:53 AM »
I was talking to a friend from the other side of the country who had no idea that "appetizing" is a noun, the way that we use it in the New York area.

Here, it means that kind of deli food that is not cold cuts -- like salads, bagels and cream cheese, lox and smoked fish.

It is used thusly:  "I'm going to pick up some appetizing for the brunch -- do you think I ought to get whitefish salad, herring, or both?"

My friend assures me that such a locution is entirely foreign to her.
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2006, 06:25:31 AM »
Yeah, that's weird.  
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2006, 07:58:29 AM »
I've never heard of that either.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2006, 08:30:43 AM »
Yeah, that strikes my ear as strange as well.
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2006, 08:35:30 AM »
Tante, did you just make that up to make us feel stupid and uncultured? ;)
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2006, 08:35:50 AM »
I've never seen or heard that usage.

"Appetizers" on the other hand, I see used a lot.  It means the same as hours dourves but is easier to spell and pronounce.
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2006, 08:46:39 AM »
That usage I'm familiar with.
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2006, 11:54:25 AM »
yeah -- what dkw said.

I've never heard it as a noun.
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2006, 11:56:47 AM »
Alternatively, "something appetizing" would work as well.

Tri-State area people talk funny. :P
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2006, 12:59:03 PM »
I'm not making it up -- honest!  Around here, all the supermarkets have "Appetizing Departments" (AKA "Appy"), where you go for your potato salad, cole slaw, whitefish, etc.

I always thought that was what it was called until my friend said that it was entirely strange.

Do you guys even have smoked whitefish in the middle of the country?  'Cause if you don't, maybe that's why you don't have the word to go with it.

"Something appetizing" is correct, but it doesn't have the specific meaning of "appetizing" (the noun).  For all you know,"something appetizing" could be a bowl of chicken soup.

Which certainly is appetizing, but isn't Appetizing.
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2006, 01:09:58 PM »
Potato salad and cole slaw are known to me as "side dishes", and would be found in the "deli" section of the grocery store.
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2006, 01:12:58 PM »
They are side dishes or salads.  By themselves, they might just be called that.  But in conjunction with bagels and lox, whitefish and herring, they are elevated to "appetizing" status.
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2006, 01:14:55 PM »
Are you sure you're not making this up? :P
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2006, 01:19:49 PM »
Positive.

Ooh!  Look!  I have a distinctive regional English! :P  
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2006, 02:43:48 PM »
I'm pretty sure this is a Yiddishism. And if it spreads (as "by her house" >.< has), I will be most displeased.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2006, 02:51:56 PM »
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I'm pretty sure this is a Yiddishism. And if it spreads (as "by her house" >.< has), I will be most displeased.
"By her house" is a Yiddishism?  As in "I went by my brother's house for Thanksgiving."?

I just thought it was informal, spoken English.  Are you sure that it is non-standard?

But "appetizing" the noun seems pretty standard around here.  The supermarkets, mainstream places that they are, have appetizing departments.  But they tend to shorten it to "appy".  As in the overhead page: "John from Appy, you have a call on line 3."
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2006, 02:54:33 PM »
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"I went by my brother's house for Thanksgiving."
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2006, 03:01:46 PM »
"By my brother's house" is synonymous with "to my brother's house," as used in that context.

So, we went inside and pulled up a chair.
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2006, 03:35:40 PM »
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I just thought it was informal, spoken English. Are you sure that it is non-standard?
I've never heard it.
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2006, 03:53:24 PM »
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"By her house" is a Yiddishism?  As in "I went by my brother's house for Thanksgiving."?

I just thought it was informal, spoken English.  Are you sure that it is non-standard?
Oy, gevalt.

Yes, QUITE sure.

To be "by" someone's house (in English) means to be nearby. I always ask people "Weren't you cold, sitting outside?" but I will totally be stealing Jonathon's response for future use.
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2006, 04:30:04 PM »
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"Weren't you cold, sitting outside?"
Wait.  THAT'S not standard?

I majored in English, and it is the only language I know.   It disturbs me to learn that my grasp of it is so weak.  I have two kinds -- the formal, written kind, which I am pretty sure I have down pat, and the casual, spoken English that apparently is not standard.   When I type on forums, I tend to be more casual and folksy, so the differences show more.
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2006, 04:34:40 PM »
Yes, that's standard.

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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2006, 04:55:24 PM »
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"Weren't you cold, sitting outside?"
Wait.  THAT'S not standard?
I'm not sure if you're joking . . . so I'll clarify. That line has usually been my response to "I slept by her house" and the like.

As for the rest, you're lived in the NY area too long. Flee while you still can! ;)
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2006, 06:14:48 PM »
I've heard things like "dropped by" or "stopped by," but "went by" sounds to me like you drove past. "Slept by" is right out.
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2006, 08:18:15 PM »
The usage includes "was by" -- "I was by her house yesterday"; "ate by" -- "I eat by them every Shabbos"; "stay by" -- "Whenever I'm in New York, I stay by my cousins"; and various and sundry other atrocities.

The Yeshivish translation of "of the people, by the people, for the people" is "by the oilam, by the oilam, by the oilam."

More here.
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