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« Reply #125 on: May 09, 2007, 09:27:29 PM »
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"Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours"
To me, that implies not merely accepting your limitation, but actively fighting to stay limited.

Perhaps an example will help. I have a coworker whose computer skills are minimal. When I or someone else try to teach her how to do things, she resists very strongly. Hanging onto her limitations as hard as she can.

I have another coworker who thinks he can do all sorts of things that they actually cannot. That is, he refuses to accept his limitations -- or even admit to them.

My favorite co-worker is pretty good at admitting what she doesn't know, and asking someone who DOES know to teach/explain. She accepts her limitations and works past them.
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« Reply #126 on: May 10, 2007, 09:19:06 PM »
So that was clear?

Or was it so unclear that you are ignoring it and hoping it will just go away?

Because I thought of another good example . . .  ;)
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« Reply #127 on: May 11, 2007, 07:49:05 AM »
I was just thinking about it and then didn't get around to responding. I don't see a huge distinction between accepting one's limitations and arguing for them—at least not a significant one. For example, I am not a concert pianist. And considering that I don't play the piano, I probably never will be. This is a limitation. I accept it. Now, if someone tells me that I can do it if I try, I could easily argue with them and tell them why I can't. Between accepting and arguing, nothing has changed in my ability or my mindset, so it's kind of pointless to make a distinction.

So perhaps the real point isn't that the quotes contradict each other, but rather that they're just trite fluff that only partly applies to real life.
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« Reply #128 on: May 11, 2007, 07:51:44 AM »
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I accept it. Now, if someone tells me that I can do it if I try, I could easily argue with them and tell them why I can't.
Why you can't, or why you won't?
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« Reply #129 on: May 11, 2007, 08:05:42 AM »
If we're talking about me playing piano in a concert, I'm not sure it really matters. I won't because I can't.
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« Reply #130 on: May 11, 2007, 08:22:08 AM »
But not being a concert pianist -- while definitely a limitation -- is probably not one that affects your day-to-day life. And if it DID, because you really wanted to be able to play at that level, wouldn't you be more likely to improve your piano playing if you acknowledged your limited skill and worked on it, rather than either pretending than you were already at concert level or stating that you will never play any better, so why bother to practice? (Note that I am not saying that you would ever make it to concert pianist level. But you might well improve your skills, neh?)

The example I thought of yesterday, because it came up during my day: At work I frequently get told how organized I am. Which I think is hysterical, because I am one of the least organized people I know. However, I acknowledge that limitation, and compensate for it. I journal voicemails and phone calls in Outlook, because otherwise I would never remember who I spoke to or when. I use the task list for silly little things, because otherwise I will forget them too. (And if I am away from my desk when I am asked to do something, and forget by the time I get back, I better hope someone reminds me later!) I use tape flags and sticky notes like they're gonna save my soul. ;)

As opposed to my boss, who I think is innately actually less disorganized than I . . . but has a "this is who I am and everyone just has to deal with it" attitude. Both I and her secretary have tried to get her to use Outlook with little success, and it's not really a computer-literacy issue. Her limitations are part of how she defines herself, and she is stubbornly unwilling to change that.

My limitations certainly are part of what defines me, but I do my best to rise above them.
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« Reply #131 on: May 11, 2007, 08:23:45 AM »
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So perhaps the real point isn't that the quotes contradict each other, but rather that they're just trite fluff that only partly applies to real life.
Oh, that I agree with. ;)
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« Reply #132 on: May 18, 2007, 07:47:09 AM »
This is really immature of me, but this sentence always makes me laugh:
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The Arbitrator, after hearing and consideration of this party’s briefs, if any are submitted, shall select the last written proposal of either party as the award, such award being issued within thirty (30) days after submission of briefs, if any, together with an opinion explaining the Arbitrator’s reasons for his selection.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2007, 07:47:25 AM by pooka »
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« Reply #133 on: May 30, 2007, 07:32:57 AM »
I wasn't sure where else to post this, but I read a summary of a decision that looking at porn on the internet is not by itself an offense worthy of termination for a long-standing employee with not other problems on his record, and whose internet use does not contribute to a hostile environment for other employees.  

I think it might be different if they caught him, counselled him, and then caught him again.  

I believe the finding also recognized a distinction between porn and sites that have racist or violent content.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2007, 11:35:14 AM by pooka »
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« Reply #134 on: June 01, 2007, 10:50:33 AM »
Oh man, the explaining the selection of the parties' briefs has been delorted.
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« Reply #135 on: June 03, 2007, 06:10:10 PM »
Gramatically, what is the difference between "shall" and "will"?  Because I recently heard a sermon that had a whole section making a big deal about the fact that King David used the word "will" rather than "shall" in the last verse of the 23rd psalm.  And, temporarily leaving aside the fact that the thing wasn't even written in english, I think he was blowing smoke about the distinction.  But I realized afterward that I'm not actually sure about that part.

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« Reply #136 on: June 03, 2007, 07:08:16 PM »
I was just reading that at one point, it was taught that the difference between will and shall was that one was more emphatic than the other.  But the weird thing is that their usages were reversed for first person, vs. second and third person.

I don't remember which is which though.
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« Reply #137 on: June 04, 2007, 02:39:12 AM »
I just checked two translations. One said "will" and one said "shall."  :D

In Hebrew, it's not even a separate word.
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« Reply #138 on: June 04, 2007, 10:34:04 AM »
*The Archbishop of Canterbury said that we should all sin from time to time.

The wiki article also explains what I believe Rivka is saying, which is that many languages inflect the verb themselves, rather than employing modals to express futurity etc.
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« Reply #139 on: June 05, 2007, 08:45:05 AM »
Grammatically speaking, they work the same way—they're both future modals. Semantically, there's a fair amount of overlap, but shall is sometimes used to express obligation or some sort of imperative (compare "thou shalt not steal" to "thou wilt not steal"). But because there's so much overlap in meaning, they're to some extent interchangeable. As you suspected and as Rivka confirmed, the supposed distinction is meaningless here because it doesn't go back to the original.

And as Porter said, it has sometimes been taught that the distinction is reversed for the first person and second/third persons. According to the Wikipedia article:
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The most influential proponent of the distinction was John Wallis, whose 1653 Grammatica Linguae Anglicanae stated "The rule is... to express a future event without emotional overtones, one should say I shall, we shall, but you/he/she/they will; conversely, for emphasis, willfulness, or insistence, one should say I/we will, but you/he/she/they shall".
But this rule is completely baseless. It's not supported by etymology or by any historical usage.
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« Reply #140 on: June 06, 2007, 09:58:04 AM »
I'm just going to park this here to comment on later, it has to do with complementizers and X bar theory:
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It does appear things began to deteriorate from the write-ups I read that were in her file. 
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« Reply #141 on: June 11, 2007, 03:09:55 PM »
From a sample Personal Mission Statement™ in our planner backend section:
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I want to use my healing talents to keep hope alive and express my vision courageously in word and action.   

In my family, I want to build healthy, loving relationships in which we can each become our best selves.
 
At work, I want to establish a fault-free, self-perpetuating learning environment.

In the world, I want to nurture the development of all life forms, in harmony with the laws of nature.
I was fine until I got to the last sentence. Well, the second-to-last one is weird, too, but the last one made me laugh. I don't even know where to begin.
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« Reply #142 on: June 11, 2007, 03:12:39 PM »
I want to nurture the development of flesh-eating bacteria.  Flesh-eating bacteria is perfectly natural as well.
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« Reply #143 on: June 11, 2007, 03:14:27 PM »
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I want to nurture the development of flesh-eating bacteria.
Just so long as you don't violate the laws of nature (whatever those are), you have my blessing.
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« Reply #144 on: June 11, 2007, 03:21:27 PM »
Does your blessing involve the transmission of flesh-eating bacteria?
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« Reply #145 on: June 11, 2007, 03:22:38 PM »
My blessing is a bunch of vague feel-good speech that you may interpret as you wish.
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« Reply #146 on: June 11, 2007, 03:24:46 PM »
I spit upon your verbiage.
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« Reply #147 on: June 11, 2007, 06:11:31 PM »
*cultures mph's spit*
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« Reply #148 on: June 12, 2007, 09:24:35 AM »
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I want to use my healing talents to keep hope alive and express my vision courageously in word and action.   

In my family, I want to build healthy, loving relationships in which we can each become our best selves.
 
At work, I want to establish a fault-free, self-perpetuating learning environment.

In the world, I want to nurture the development of all life forms, in harmony with the laws of nature.
I don't want any of those things.  I wouldn't mind a nice tuna sandwich, though.
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« Reply #149 on: June 12, 2007, 09:29:35 AM »
That's not very nurturing to the tuna, is it?
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