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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1100 on: August 04, 2010, 03:24:57 AM »
It's mucil made of other mucils.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1101 on: August 04, 2010, 03:25:52 AM »
It's the mucilage of mucils.

Hey, does anyone else remember mucilage? It always weirded me out as a kid.

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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1102 on: August 04, 2010, 07:44:01 AM »
Yes, and it is weird stuff.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1103 on: August 04, 2010, 12:46:00 PM »
Random etymology of the day: I had assumed the word semester was composed of semi- plus some root that I didn't recognize. Apparently, though, it ultimately comes from the roots sex 'six' and mensis 'month'.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1104 on: August 04, 2010, 02:44:41 PM »
What's wrong with mucilage?  Isn't that the stuff we lick to seal an envelope?
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1105 on: August 04, 2010, 03:00:19 PM »
When I was a kid, I heard about old horses being sent to the glue factory.  And if there was any kind of glue that seemed horsey to me, it was that stuff on the envelope flap and in the bottle of mucilage.  To this day, I won't lick an envelope or a stamp, because of the horsey association in my mind.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1106 on: August 04, 2010, 03:05:36 PM »
I've never understood the aversion to eating horse, when, to me, cows and goats seem so much cuter.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1107 on: August 04, 2010, 03:09:13 PM »
They're trayf.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1108 on: August 04, 2010, 03:18:22 PM »
Do they still make stamps that you have to lick?
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1109 on: August 04, 2010, 03:24:02 PM »
I don't know.  Maybe in rolls.  As soon as they made the lickless kind, I was all over them.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1110 on: August 04, 2010, 03:27:04 PM »
Do those cost more?  The lickless envelopes sure do.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1111 on: August 04, 2010, 04:58:53 PM »
Stamps tasted really good, though. Dangit, have I been enjoying mucilage all these years?
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1112 on: August 04, 2010, 10:07:46 PM »
Do those cost more?  The lickless envelopes sure do.

You don't pay a premium for lickless stamps; you pay whatever the denomination of the stamp is.  The Forever stamps may be nondenominational.  For those you pay whatever is the prevailing rate for first class postage.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1113 on: August 04, 2010, 10:16:49 PM »
When the sticker stamps were brand new there WAS a small surcharge. But that was about 15 years ago; it's been at least 10-12 since they stopped charging extra and made almost all stamps stickers.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1114 on: August 04, 2010, 11:11:09 PM »
So the forever stamps are actually a kind of investment.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1115 on: August 05, 2010, 12:00:08 AM »
Yup, but I don't think it would work out as a big moneymaking scheme on a large scale.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1116 on: August 05, 2010, 05:36:06 AM »
It depends how many you buy.

Do they make that many?
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1117 on: August 05, 2010, 07:27:21 AM »
So the forever stamps are actually a kind of investment.
I figured it out once. With interest rates as low as they have been lately, they outperform simple savings accounts, but only if the price of stamps steadily increases every year. Which it did for a couple. But not this year.

And only if you manage not to lose any, which I would somehow not manage.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1118 on: August 05, 2010, 09:22:58 AM »
Instead of licking lickable stamps, can you press them against a wet sponge and then stick them on the envelope?

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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1119 on: August 05, 2010, 09:31:45 AM »
Yes.  But I like the porcelain roller and resevoir type of automatic licker more than the wet sponge type.

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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1120 on: August 05, 2010, 11:41:54 AM »
So the forever stamps are actually a kind of investment.
I figured it out once. With interest rates as low as they have been lately, they outperform simple savings accounts, but only if the price of stamps steadily increases every year. Which it did for a couple. But not this year.

And only if you manage not to lose any, which I would somehow not manage.


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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1121 on: August 05, 2010, 04:54:09 PM »
It was to win an argument with a co-worker.

He came back with the (fairly reasonable) argument that they may out-perform simple savings accounts, but not CDs. Not even 2-year, IIRC. Or maybe it was 3-year?
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1122 on: August 06, 2010, 02:49:42 PM »
Why in English do we distinguish between "no" and "not"? As far as I can tell, with my very limited knowledge of other languages, many (most?) other languages don't do this.

We say "why not?" but the equivalent is "why no?" in both Hebrew and Spanish. If either of them has a "not" (as distinct from "no"), I don't know what it would be.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1123 on: August 06, 2010, 04:54:11 PM »
Not sure about the Hebrew, but I suspect the Spanish are the ones playing it fast and loose with this one.  It's gotta do something with naught or nôton.
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Re: The random etymology of the day
« Reply #1124 on: August 06, 2010, 08:22:41 PM »
It seems that the history of negatives in English (and some other Indo-European languages too) is apparently somewhat complicated. The original simple negative in English was ne, and it was used from Old English to late Middle or early Modern English. This negative particle was also prefixed to form other negatives, like none and never.

The word no is apparently one of these prefixed forms. It's ne + o (an obsolete word meaning 'ever'), presumably originally meaning 'never', but in Old English it apparently was used as a more emphatic 'no', along the lines of 'not at all' or 'no way'. Interestingly, nay comes from the Old Norse cognate of no.

Not comes from a reduced form of nought/naught, which was also used in the emphatic-but-generic 'no' sense.

As to why they exist in this particular distribution today, I'm not sure, but a somewhat similar situation exists in French. The closest equivalent to no is non, and the closest to not is ne . . . pas, which goes around verbs. But to say "why not?" you say "pourquoi pas?" Pas originally meant 'step' (and is related to pace), and it was added to negative expressions with ne for emphasis, meaning literally 'not a step'. But eventually the emphasis was lost, and it became the generic negative, much like no and not in English. I'm guessing that the Spanish no and French non are also formed from ne (which existed in Latin too) plus some other root.

Unfortunately, I don't know enough about negatives cross-linguistically to say whether it's common to have multiple generic negatives that are used in different situations. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if Hebrew and Spanish are unusual in having only one form.
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