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« Reply #1050 on: April 06, 2010, 06:21:40 PM »
Personally, I think it's easier just to keep it all here, especially since questions like Porter's wouldn't necessarily go in a smackdown thread, even though the response would. But don't let me stop you.
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« Reply #1051 on: April 06, 2010, 06:50:15 PM »
Shamelessly stolen from goofy's blog: I knew that there are a handful of abstract nouns of quality ending in -th that typically derive from adjectives, but I learned a couple new ones.

Strong/strength, long/length, wide/width, deep/depth, and broad/breadth are probably the most familiar and obviously related pairs. High/height is a bit of an oddball—the final -th dissimilated from the preceding gh and became -t, and the vowel ended up the same because of analogy with high (though the spelling reflects the older pronunciation of the vowel). The form heighth is a nonstandard variant that retained the original ending.

Whole and health are not terribly obvious unless you know that the w in whole is unetymological and was mistakenly added later. Also, the meaning of whole has broadened and drifted somewhat, but hale, which is the same word descended from a different dialect of Old English, has preserved the meaning of "healthy". Slow/sloth is another slightly odd pair, because the original noun form was sleuth (not related to the modern word sleuth). The form sloth is a formation from Middle English without the vowel change.

Dear/dearth and weal/wealth are a little more obvious, but merry/mirth and foul/filth were new to me. And apparently dry/drought are part of the series, too, with the same change to -t that height had. But what I don't get about that pair is the vowels. The -th suffix typically causes umlaut (or fronting) and shortening of the stem vowel, but here we seem to have the opposite: the root word has an umlaut, and the -th noun doesn't. Perhaps a better etymologist than I could explain it.
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« Reply #1052 on: April 06, 2010, 06:58:18 PM »
Added bonus etymology of the day: drain is from the Old English dreahnian, which comes from the Proto-Germanic root *draug-, which is the same source from which we get dry. So the verb drain originally meant "to make dry".
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« Reply #1053 on: April 06, 2010, 08:00:02 PM »
Can we maybe have a reality TV series called "Erroneous Etymology Smackdown" then?

Also, the dearth, mirth and filth stuff is totally fascinating!
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« Reply #1054 on: April 06, 2010, 08:32:05 PM »
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Can we maybe have a reality TV series called "Erroneous Etymology Smackdown" then?
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Also, the dearth, mirth and filth stuff is totally fascinating!
Thanks. I am to fascinate.
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« Reply #1055 on: April 06, 2010, 10:45:15 PM »
As what is to what?
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« Reply #1056 on: April 06, 2010, 11:15:39 PM »
Whoops. That should be "aim".
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« Reply #1057 on: April 06, 2010, 11:17:55 PM »
Ah!
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« Reply #1058 on: April 07, 2010, 10:12:55 AM »
Hey, is this true?

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Olive oil is one of civilization’s oldest foods, dating to at least the 10th century B.C. The word “oil” actually is derived from the same root as “olive,” so the two have historically gone hand-in-hand.
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« Reply #1059 on: April 07, 2010, 11:30:48 AM »
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« Reply #1060 on: April 21, 2010, 10:05:31 AM »
Is there a way to look up the etymology of the sound "shh" as far as meaning "be quiet?"
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« Reply #1061 on: April 21, 2010, 01:40:18 PM »
The OED says sh dates to the mid-1800s and comes from hush, various forms of which trace back to the 1300s. As to why we use such things to mean "be quiet", all the OED says is that it is "a natural utterance or 'vocal gesture'".
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« Reply #1062 on: April 21, 2010, 01:41:52 PM »
Shah!
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« Reply #1063 on: April 21, 2010, 02:10:09 PM »
Is that the Hebrew equivalent or something?
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« Reply #1064 on: April 21, 2010, 02:23:17 PM »
I think it's the Wayne's World equivalent.
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« Reply #1065 on: April 21, 2010, 03:08:34 PM »
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Is that the Hebrew equivalent or something?
Precisely. :)
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« Reply #1066 on: April 21, 2010, 05:46:14 PM »
Google Translate says the translation is ???.
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« Reply #1067 on: April 21, 2010, 06:03:36 PM »
It's wrong.
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« Reply #1068 on: May 04, 2010, 03:21:34 PM »
Origin of "mortgage", and does it have anything to do with the French "mort"?
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« Reply #1069 on: May 04, 2010, 04:44:27 PM »
Yep.

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mortgage (n.) 1390, from O.Fr. morgage (13c.), mort gaige, lit. "dead pledge" (replaced in modern Fr. by hypothèque), from mort "dead" + gage "pledge;" so called because the deal dies either when the debt is paid or when payment fails. O.Fr. mort is from V.L. *mortus "dead," from L. mortuus, pp. of mori "to die" (see mortal). The verb is first attested 1467.
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« Reply #1070 on: May 04, 2010, 06:10:14 PM »
Huh.

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« Reply #1071 on: May 11, 2010, 09:41:27 PM »
I love this one.
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« Reply #1072 on: May 11, 2010, 10:51:21 PM »
Didn't we have a whole conversation about that one? I seem to recall Jonathon linking to a very cool article.
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« Reply #1073 on: May 12, 2010, 08:49:47 AM »
I think it was goofy that linked to the article.
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« Reply #1074 on: May 12, 2010, 09:20:29 AM »
Ah, ok.
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