GalacticCactus Forum

Author Topic: Klingon Linguistics  (Read 3271 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline kojabu

  • Veteran Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 894
    • View Profile
    • http://
Klingon Linguistics
« on: November 28, 2005, 04:26:54 PM »
pooka, no it's not whatever that big word is language. It looks like they're mostly an agglutinating language.

Ex:

Due to your apparent minor errors is

QaghHommeyHeylIjmo'

where

Qagh: error
-Hom: diminutive
-mey: plural
-Hey: Apparent
-lIj: Your
-mo': Due to

I'm still working on the noun section, the verb part will come later.  

Offline Teshi

  • Veteran Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 517
    • View Profile
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2005, 06:24:16 PM »
It's like those ancient Sumerian noun phrases in which one word is like.

The-first-king-who-sat-on-the-throne-in-the-kingdom-by-the-mountain-at-the-beginning-of -time-that-spoke-to-god-and-he-replied.


 :lol:  

Offline kojabu

  • Veteran Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 894
    • View Profile
    • http://
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2005, 06:29:47 PM »
Haha yea, gotta love them. Swahili is agglutinating too.

Klingon's just weird because everything is backwards. The syntax structure is Object Verb Subject.  

Offline Jonathon

  • Evil T-Rex
  • Administrator
  • Übermember
  • *****
  • Posts: 24,680
  • This is the darkest timeline
    • View Profile
    • GalacticCactus
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2005, 08:04:34 PM »
The notable thing about Klingon is that it was designed to seem very foreign to most humans. Hence the word order (which I believe never occurs in natural languages) and other weird features like the morphology and phonology.
You underestimate my ability to take things seriously!

Offline kojabu

  • Veteran Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 894
    • View Profile
    • http://
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2005, 08:09:53 PM »
Yea, you gotta love glottal stops all over the place. And that funky tlh sound. Oh Klingon how we love you.  

Offline Jonathon

  • Evil T-Rex
  • Administrator
  • Übermember
  • *****
  • Posts: 24,680
  • This is the darkest timeline
    • View Profile
    • GalacticCactus
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2005, 08:27:40 PM »
Don't forget the voiceless uvular affricate.
You underestimate my ability to take things seriously!

Offline kojabu

  • Veteran Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 894
    • View Profile
    • http://
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2005, 08:34:14 PM »
Err... I'm not doing phonetics, which letter is that?  

Offline Jonathon

  • Evil T-Rex
  • Administrator
  • Übermember
  • *****
  • Posts: 24,680
  • This is the darkest timeline
    • View Profile
    • GalacticCactus
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2005, 08:37:58 PM »
Q, but it's sometimes transliterated as kr. Of course, that's about as accurate as transliterating the tlh sound as kl.
You underestimate my ability to take things seriously!

Offline kojabu

  • Veteran Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 894
    • View Profile
    • http://
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2005, 08:42:30 PM »
Oh yea, the choking sound.  

Offline pooka

  • hover bear
  • Übermember
  • *****
  • Posts: 18,877
    • View Profile
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2005, 08:51:59 PM »
German is big on agglutinating, and has a modest inventory of gutturals.  
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his work."  Comte de Saint-Simon

Offline kojabu

  • Veteran Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 894
    • View Profile
    • http://
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2005, 08:53:39 PM »
German's agglutinating?  

Offline sarcasticmuppet

  • Muppet Treasure Island
  • Super Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 3,196
    • View Profile
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2005, 10:13:53 PM »
I'll agglutinate you!  :pirate:
« Last Edit: November 28, 2005, 10:15:30 PM by sarcasticmuppet »
You know, I think I'd make a great Queen of England.  --Porter

Offline kojabu

  • Veteran Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 894
    • View Profile
    • http://
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2005, 10:37:36 PM »
Oh please don't. I feel like it would hurt.

Offline pooka

  • hover bear
  • Übermember
  • *****
  • Posts: 18,877
    • View Profile
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2005, 02:58:22 PM »
German is the most agglutinative language I've studied*.  They have a particular fondness for prefixes.  

*Unless you include English, but I think it is only in sciency jargon like pneumonoultramicro... yada yada.  I guess there is also preantepenultimate, which is actually a linguistics term.


 
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his work."  Comte de Saint-Simon

Offline Brinestone

  • Nerdkins
  • Super Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 6,235
    • View Profile
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2005, 03:04:17 PM »
Kleinkindergeschaeftigungsanstalt!
Ephemerality is not binary. -Porter

Offline pooka

  • hover bear
  • Übermember
  • *****
  • Posts: 18,877
    • View Profile
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2005, 03:16:08 PM »
Right.  I'm not sure how to express the difference between that and Spanish where they say the whole thing as a phrase with a bunch of prepositions in between.  I mean, when it comes down to it, who is to say what is a word and what is a phrase beyond how you write it?  And the "line" they held when I was in school was that orthography didn't mean squat.  I personally disagree, but there you go.  Maybe the phrase doesn't act as a discrete lexical unit, but maybe it's a nonconcatenative dealy-oh.  Man, language just all sucks.  What was I thinking majoring in linguistics?
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his work."  Comte de Saint-Simon

Offline kojabu

  • Veteran Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 894
    • View Profile
    • http://
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2005, 03:40:19 PM »
What's the English translation of that German spiel?  

Offline Brinestone

  • Nerdkins
  • Super Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 6,235
    • View Profile
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2005, 03:52:04 PM »
little children business institute

This was the name proposed first by the man who invented kindergarten. Luckily, he decided on the name that has stuck.
Ephemerality is not binary. -Porter

Offline pooka

  • hover bear
  • Übermember
  • *****
  • Posts: 18,877
    • View Profile
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2005, 03:53:54 PM »
We could have always called it the KKDGSTGSS :fear:  
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his work."  Comte de Saint-Simon

Offline kojabu

  • Veteran Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 894
    • View Profile
    • http://
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2005, 04:00:16 PM »
Can each of those prefixes stand on its own?  

Offline Brinestone

  • Nerdkins
  • Super Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 6,235
    • View Profile
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2005, 04:10:15 PM »
More like KKGA.
Ephemerality is not binary. -Porter

Offline Brinestone

  • Nerdkins
  • Super Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 6,235
    • View Profile
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2005, 04:12:38 PM »
Klein = little
Kinder = children
Geschaeft = business
igungs = not sure what this means, but it's a suffix that cannot stand alone
Anstalt = institute

So most of them are complete words on their own. German likes to jam words together, not just add prefixes and suffixes, though they do plenty of that too.
Ephemerality is not binary. -Porter

Offline Icarus

  • Scrabblemonger
  • Super Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 3,772
    • View Profile
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2005, 06:40:24 PM »
:huh:

Is there a lost first page to this thread?

Offline kojabu

  • Veteran Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 894
    • View Profile
    • http://
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2005, 06:53:41 PM »
It spawned from either the pie thread or some other thread on the other side of the forum.

Ruth: Klingon's weird because all the stuff that gets put together can't stand alone, unless it's the primary verb or noun.  

Offline kojabu

  • Veteran Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 894
    • View Profile
    • http://
Klingon Linguistics
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2005, 02:19:43 PM »
Wee I got an A on the paper.