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		Forums => English & Linguistics => Topic started by: Noemon on February 11, 2008, 02:53:11 PM
		
			
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				I've been noticing people using the construction "The thing/problem is is" quite a bit lately("The thing is is that I don't want to do that", for example, or "the problem is is that nobody wants to be seen being nice to a jerk).  Often there is a pause after the first "is".  It seems to me that "the thing/problem is" is being treated by the speaker almost as  a compound word that indicates complication or objection, with the "is" in it not functioning as a verb in the sentence.
So for Jon and goofy, do you guys agree that that's what's happening here?  Is there a name for it?  Are there other phrases in English that are going this direction?  And have I brought this up before?  I'm getting a feeling of deja vu.
 
			 
			
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				I'm familiar with the construction, but I don't know what the proper analysis of it is (or if there even is one). I'll try to see what I can dig up. 
			
 
			
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				It's a nominatizing subversital conjufraternizing case with an intervinative dipthongic wangadangdodal.
Seriously, how do you not know this? 
			 
			
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				Here's the deal: 
			
 
			
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 It's a nominatizing subversital conjufraternizing case with an intervinative dipthongic wangadangdodal.
Seriously, how do you not know this? 
 You made that up. There's no such thing as a wangadangdodal. 
			 
			
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				There is now! 
			
 
			
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				ISIS (http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/001123.html)
ISIS (http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004221.html)
more ISIS (http://wishydig.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-isis-is-is-not-clear.html)
sometimes it's nonstandard
"The thing is is that it all depends on the graphic card's drivers"
sometimes it's standard
"What it is, is football"
sometimes it's a disfluency.
 
			 
			
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				What does "ISIS" stand for in those three links?  In any case, the site linked to by the first to is fantastic--I'm going to have a great time browsing there.  The site in the third link I can't get to from work, so while it may be even more fantastic, I won't know until I get home from work here in an hour or two. 
			
 
			
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				"Isis" and "extris" are ways of referring to the phenomenon you're asking about. The first one is not an acronym. 
			
 
			
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				Language Log: for all your language needs. 
			
 
			
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 "Isis" and "extris" are ways of referring to the phenomenon you're asking about. The first one is not an acronym. 
 Ah--I didn't realize (in my defense, I'm at work and mostly focusing on a project, so I only skimmed the replies and the links). 
			 
			
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 Language Log: for all your language needs. 
 So it would seem! 
			 
			
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				Is there a context in which "The thing is that..." is not replaceable by "Well..." or "So..."?
I guess it's an introjective phrase. 
			 
			
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				Who's goofy? 
			
 
			
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				Someone who came across my Arrant Pedantry blog a while back and later joined the forum. 
			
 
			
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				Sucked in, eh? :) 
			
 
			
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				Suckah! 
			
 
			
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				:lol:  
			
 
			
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				Shouldn't that be "suckee"? 
			
 
			
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 Who's goofy? 
 I am. 
			 
			
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 Shouldn't that be "suckee"? 
 Are you talking dirty to me? 
			 
			
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				No, but would you be offended if I said I had a hankering for kosher chicken soup? 
			
 
			
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				Come on by!  Soup's on the stove! 
			
 
			
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  Shouldn't that be "suckee"? 
Are you talking dirty to me? 
 What do you think? 
			 
			
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  Who's goofy? 
I am. 
 Hi, goofy!  :)